Nancy Ortberg is such a wonderful thinker and leader. She brings a forged wisdom to her leadership and a no nonsense approach. I thoroughly enjoyed my interview with her. Nancy’s leadership book is here. (note, a small amount of each purchase goes toward Discovery Christian Church.) Nancy discussed phantom strikes and how they can both do damage to a leader, but also how a mature leader can navigate them to greater team health. I also loved how Nancy discussed hobbies in the life of a leader and how leaders find spiritual rejuvenation in hobbies ‘where you lose track of time.’ It makes me want to rig up my fly rod just thinking about it.

Nancy also of course addressed my gauntlet of questions about her own anxiety as a leader. She was a wonderful guest and I hope you enjoy the interview.